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if it's a background check on me, why do they need the gun's serial number? It's already a registration, of course.

WOW! I just surfed to this blog for the first time....'I shall return'

Excellent work, Thanks !!

And never will again. The tipping point has been passed, there are more takers than makers.
Any fixing that was possible is no longer.

Well... it -sounds- optimistic.

However, when one reads the details of Schumer's bill, it becomes clear that all of the "illegal transfer" conditions will be proven only if there actually is registration.

It simply won't work without registration, and the smiling senator will gleefully tell you there's no registration in the bill. It will be in the next bill, the one that makes this one really work.

Unless there is an enforced requirement that the records of passed background checks is regularly destroyed, over time these transaction records will become a de facto registration database. Unacceptable.
And what of the failed background checks, i.e. a felon or illegal alien trying to buy. Will there be a requirement that these are prosecuted?

if it's a background check, why do they need the gun's serial number?

if it's just a background check, why do they need the gun's serial number? it's illegal registration.

I love the eye candy. Seriously, that's the only reason I ever go to shows anymore, lol...sad, I know...

If one looks at a table of the fifty states he sees that the states with the no gun controls or very permissive laws have the lowest per capita gun murders.

Further, looking at Switzerland and Israel,
countries that require every household to have a gun, murders using a gun are rare.

I am sure that rational people will agree that guns are not the problem. People and kids are hammered with guns in every way, games, TV, movies, and, yes the news. It's a kind of brain washing where guns are on everyones mind. With kids, they don't realize the finality of the gunshot because of games, TV, ect. and it only takes someone who is a little off to do a horrendous thing. What we need is less exposure to guns for everyone. If we reduce the guns on TV,games, and the movies we will gain more than banning assault weapons for example.

Well said.

One might also ask why no consideration is given to problem one. SURVIVE THE ATTACK.

In that gun free zone teachers and students faced a suicidal killer barehanded while waiting for someone to show up with a gun.

The official response is always to send someone with a gun. Always too late to solve problem one. SURVIVE THE ATTACK.

It doesn't take a great intellect to understand that the solution to problem one is someone with a gun, ready to stop the killer as soon as he shows his hand. That is how innocents SURVIVE THE ATTACK.

Thank you.

Looking back at public shootins, Taco Bell, subway, Aurera, the shooter are cowards. They choose places of public garther of people the most likely don't carry firearms. The chance resistance or returned fire and killng themself is zero. The fact that some self inflict, is a reacting to the raw damage they've done. If more of the law abiding public had weapons of protection, crimes with gun by criminals wont change, but there would be alot less dead children. Obviously, first grade teacher have to be first to be armed. Our society is doomed. Criminal will always have guns, controls will just restrict people needing protection from getting it.

This is a typical gun grabber's bald faced lie. Crime in Australia has increased steadily along similar patterns as English and American crime, and since the ban, Australia had the year with the highest percentage of murders committed with firearms in 2006--long after the ban. There is no correlation between gun grabbing and decreasing crime, on the other hand... Chicago, Detroit, New York, DC, Mexico, the Middle East and Nazi Germany all show what happens to disarmed populations. Nor does strict gun control prevent mass shootings (Norway). Gun grabbing protects only one group--a government intending tyrrany, and Americans need to take a good, hard look at our government. Then go back and read what our founding fathers warned us about.

For all intents and purpose - "there really are NO guns on the streets in Australia" following a horrendous massacre of tourists visiting an old colomial convict gaol site in Tasmania in the late 90s. The prime minister of the day, John Howard, elected to ban ALL guns, and while this was a great shock to those in the rural communities of this vast, underpopulated, country, it has reduced the number of gun related crimes and murders very considereably. We are only a pop of 22 million and it was hard enough going for that few, God only knows how you would ever get a pop of 350 million to surrender every gun in the land? But lets face it after the Newtown CT tragedy where the most innocent of human beings were wilfully slayen by a mad-man, America is GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING - NOW.

It's essentially a control issue on both sides of the argument. If law-abiding citizens are allowed to own guns, they're viewed as a threat to any government which seeks total control over its peoples.If criminals own guns, they have the unilateral ability to control us, i.e., shoot, kill, rob. Cell phones, doctors, hospitals,and cars do not 'control us' in the same sense, hence they are not legitimate targets for comparison purposes.

Guns are a threat to the ruling class in a dictatorial state. The 2ND was designed to allow the people when and if necessary to be able to protect themselves from the Federal Goverment (ours)should efforts be made to install a dictatorial state with committee or dictator as a ruler in lieu of Congress and a President. The gun laws should reflect protection by and for the citizens of this Nation not disarming of the citizens. Even in totalitarian states criminals, sometimes representatives of the governments, gun possession is possible outside the law and the citizens are left to their own non gun devices to protect themselves as most police agencies are not capable of protecting all the people. Political power is stymied by voters who not only can vote but can theoretically defend themselves as well as their form of government from those who would take away the Constitution or change it "be it illegally" to allow tyrant to take over say as Hitler did after being legally elected.

History has shown that gun control only supresses the rights of honest people and has no effect on the criminal elements of society.

I'm so glad to see this, was here to find and post the genocide chart an effective tool in my opinion, it helps plant the hardiest seeds! I've been telling people Dec 15 is Bill of Rights day and to go to jpfo.org to learn more about ideas to celebrate. Now, I will just post it everywhere I can. Thanks to all of you for the hard work to help get the truth out to the masses. Blessings all.

What is the number 1 and number 2 killers of people in cars while driving?
1) Hand held communication items, as iPhones, iPods, Cell phones.
2) ALCOHOL

So are we to ban these? They definitely kill more people than guns in the many thousands of percent in comparison.

Hospitals are getting up there too. Infections! With an average of 5% +/- .05%, with medical resistant infections killing more people everyday, it will only take a short period of time when this issue is worse than the driving under the influence of a smart phone. Mark my words.

knives and cars kill more people than guns. so lets ban them too. in fact doctors kill more people than guns so lets get rid of them too. see how dumb this law has become ??

For whatever it's worth, I don't particularly support any background checks.

A excellent article, sir!

Let me add: the reason the RNC did not talk about guns -- and the reason the DNC, to the best of my knowledge, has had little to say about them so far either -- is because neither side has anything to gain from doing so. Gun owners see the tide turning increasingly in their favor, and are quiet about it; gun-control advocates seem to have learned (finally) that screaming about gun control in an election year loses votes.

We've made remarkable progress. In just a few years, a decades-long anti-gun trend was reversed; now a majority of States are shall-issue, with only a handful (including my own, regrettably) choosing to stand in the way of law-abiding citizens defending themselves.

There are people who still Just Don't Get It; there are people who are afraid of guns because Guns Are Scary; and there are politicians, elected and otherwise, more than willing to use gun control to keep the peons at bay. Here's hoping that articles like this one will help to convince those willing to listen.

And, as was written recently on americanthinker.com -- if you can take a liberal shooting between now and election day, do so! Let them learn about safe gun handling, and have fun with a long-distance paper puncher. Every little bit helps.

Bumper sticker from the 1970s
"If guns are outlawed only outlaws would carry guns" or something like that.

Please allow me to add a point or two that might be of interest to your intended audience.

The two American cities with the most extreme gun control are Washington DC and Chicago. In 2010 Washington DC had twenty seven times more murders than the slightly larger city of El Paso, TX.

El Paso is a good comparison because it is similar in size and the level of minority population to DC. It is also similarly located on the edge of the nation. In Texas, every responsible adult citizen can carry a loaded concealed handgun as they go about their day. Twenty seven times more murders is a substantial amount. The murder rate for Chicago was nineteen times higher for the same year. It is reasonable to believe El Paso has a much higher rate of an armed citizenry than DC or Chicago but the murder rate is much, much lower. Ask yourself why. Until you do, you have no right to demand the rest of the nation's citizens disarm.

Sources: FBI Crime Report for murder stats and US Census Bureau for population.

Excellent.

Excellent article!

Outstanding essay Mr. Korwin.

Great article. Especially about first responders.

Actually, rampage killers existed, and probably have existed since there have been humans and weapons. This may help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers:_Americas

You can sort it by date or whatever.

Right on point. I, too, was a working journalist for 15 years, and have watched the ignorance play out in many ugly ways in may ugly stories. Journalists are just a bunch of well-meaning people who can't do much else but be led around by conventional wisdom and personal bias.

Thank you sir; for getting this info.

I submit that only those citizens who have received no government consideration of any kind since the last election may vote in the next election.

To allow otherwise would be to permit a conflict of interest, for the simple reason that someone who is receiving special consideration from government will likely vote for whatever party that promises to perpetuate that individual's entitlement, regardless of whether or not the added burden on the national debt will harm the country.

Such a rule would effectively eliminate anyone who received any entitlement, subsidy or credit from voting in the next election.

That rule may very well result in awfully people actually being eligible to vote, but to everyone else I can only say, "Hey, that's a choice you made!"

Those figures don't account for all those sales at gun shows or thru private parties. Many people are going that route.

I just looked at the comments generated by your article over at World News Daily. It is what I would expect from readers of a low-brow conspiracy blog like this to an article on why Jews hate guns. Great stuff like "typical Getto Jew mentality"; because they haven't accepted Jesus, they are cowards and sheep by nature. You can't be surprised when you associate yourself with this gutter-level of civil discourse and you tee up Judaism for the predictable bigoted responses.

Alan,
It's interesting to note that both Boxer and Feinstein possess concealed carry permits in California for .38's. Additionally, these two have made it a point to restrict as many 2nd Amendment rights in California as they can. I'd be willing to bet that everyone of these politicians (and a few more) enjoy the same priviledge. I think there may be a little bit more to their agenda than just being Jewish. Control of the masses. Gun owners are a very viable threat to the controller; whether it be individuals or a whole government. Liked the article.

Any business lost is lost. Martin Luther King Jr. day had this honor recently.Thanks to Chuck Michel at CalGuns for the details.

The posted comments to my response to the (ignorant) rant by Korwin are typical of those who are TOTALLY CLUELESS about what my job entails. Oh, I forgot, you own a TV set so you are an 'expert' about my job. Catch a clue and go for a few 'ride alongs' with your local PD so you can have a miniscule taste of what police work is all about.

Suppressors make guns safer. Loud noise can damage hearing. I don't hunt but, this "sounds" like a good idea to me.
BTW a .22 with a suppressor is a great tool to dispatch nuisance wildlife - not that I've ever seen this done, of course.

Sheriff Taylor is your typical Law Enforcement Officer-Hypocrite who pretends to be a 2A Advocate, but in reality is only pro-Gun-Rights as far as White people go. He knows that as a Law Enforcement Officer (read "Bully"), his biggest fear is running into "We, the People" (who include both White AND non-White folks) who're Armed and will not cower in intimidation just because some Government Goon [Who is paid Overly Generous Wages/Salary, Fat Retirement Pension, Health Benefits, and is Protected by Powerful Unions "a/k/a Police Fraternal Organizations"] has a Badge and a Gun.
Then the Covert-Racist-Sheriff and other Goons-with-a-Badge-and-Gun [many of whom secretly have nostalgic feelings/beliefs for the "Black Codes"-- to be enforced against most non-Whites] have the audacity to Criticize True 2A Advocates like Mr. Korwin and Mr. Gottlieb who advance 2A Rights ("Right to Fight Back and Right to Live" Laws for ALL non-Criminal PEOPLE) on behalf of All People (encompassed by the "We, the People" clause).
Check Out:
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They always report these types of things in the way to suit their agenda and appease their audience rather than just reporting what happend. The truth is the media and the general public only have limited knowledge of what happend that night. The race dividers however came out quickly to further their agenda as well before even knowing what the facts were. We have seen this before and we'll see it again from the lamestream media when something similiar happens again.

Great link Jeff P. Thanks for passing that along.

Pacific Northwest. Like here? http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/03/robert-farago/eugene-or-swat-safety-fail/#more-115729

For the cop on the street a vest, sidearm and shotty or patrol rifle in the cruiser should be sufficient. If there is a high risk entry or take-down use your tactical team. If you need full auto or armor you don't belong there and you should ask for support from the nation guard.
Unfortunately the Police have become tactical fashion vamps rather than the public servants that should be.
I have not problem with officer safety, but the public still comes first. The current militarization of the Police inevitably ends up with a scorched earth no knock entry on the wrong address and innocent civilians are killed with no repercussions to the officers involved.

Yup, nothing I like better as a 30+ year veteran street cop than sauntering up to heavily armed criminals unarmed and 'jawing' them into surrender. Of course, they will take my admonitions to heart and 'see the light' with an 'aw shucks' look on their faces. Seriously, get real Korwin. By the way, the EXTREMELY liberal large Pacific Northwest city I work for is anything but 'militarized'. Did I mention ignorant posts such as yours have no basis in reality for 'street grunts' such as yours truly? Enough already!

I agree with you that this just proves once again that these paranoid gun toters are full of baloney and afraid of their shadows.

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As a member of Montana Free State Republic,it seems to me
a good starting place for Diplomatic Carry
would be the Republic state members. Could we be Legally defined as diplomats within this country?
see Republic for the united states
Republic of Arizona
and every state in the union.

You are correct.

I subscribed to your rss feed though and will certainly keep following your writing and possibly down the road I may chime in once again in much more detail.
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The parent should be charged with murder.

I would like to add a reply Z3RO, you are an idiot this has nothing to do with being selfish. People need to put their firearms up where they are supposed to, i.e; lock box or safe. Just because some moron decides to leave his/her gun on his/her dresser for the kids to play with or in reach of their kids; come on now how dumb did you make yourself look. Selfish I think not. This is our right as American citizens to own firearms if you disapprove of this GTFO. Not only will the death toll due to gun violence increase because I don't know, those who have a gun can ward off attackers with their own weapon but those who fight back will usually end up dead unless you know how to dismantle a gun like Jason Stathom. Which not everyone knows how to do. Yes I am well aware it is a movie and there are people who can still do so. If you want to ban guns maybe you should come up with a better reason than being selfish and adults allowing their children to play with firearms. I personally believe that if a child offs him/herself due to a parents idiotic mistake should definitely be in jail for life with the charge of murder.

Here's Your Sign.

It's not like this is a REAL military base. This is the Air Force, which is limited to strafing from 20,000 ft or bombing from 50,000.

Air Force Vet

Their should be a gun law to control a massive chaos and killing.
AirSoft Gun

Funny how, if the situation were reversed and someone on the right had some controversy like this the rabid media wouldn't drop it for 4 years. If it's someone they like on the left, they'll talk about how stupid everyone is who questions it for 4 years.

Immediately upon our arrival at the Occupy Phoenix protest we were approached and confronted by hateful people that called us "White Supremacists". Without a doubt, they were the ones openly promoting hatred, not us.

J.T. Ready and the US Border Guard are not a racial group, nor part of one. Politics and religion are always checked at the door. In fact, the USBG welcomes people from ALL backgrounds and are engaged in search and rescue/anti-drug smuggling activities in the Arizona desert.

At the beginning of our friendly and civil “get together”, a couple of protesters thought we were the military and immediately started blabbing some nonsense about “posse commutatis”, which is highly misunderstood.

All in all, the majority of attendees were positive and supportive.

You said "most dangerous part may be the phrase “pistol grip”" Does it means the grip would be banned under the existing proposal?

You...are...my...hero!!! I cant believe something like this exists on the internet! Its so true, so honest, and more than that you dont sound like an idiot! Finally, someone who knows how to talk about a subject without sounding like a kid who didnt get that bike he wanted for Christmas.

Pull SWHC up on Yahoo finance, ask for a one-year chart, and tell me this represents a company with a CEO who knows anything at all about business.

Want to invest in the firearms industry? Favor S&W?
Buy several of their guns. DON'T buy the stock.

This is a good and bad thing about banning pocket knives. In school settings, it is ok. If it is an adult, as long as it stays in your pocket, so what? I love to cook, am I allowed to carry a pairing knife with me?!

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Since Slick Willie Clinton, no ammunition in arms on base. Police have loaded arms. Go think.

People, especially kids, need to be told that these things are not toys and should not be played with. Signs and billboards such as these convey the message to a bigger audience. Let's hope more people will be educated in gun safety.

Any large organization will have a few bad, rogue employees. The key is to maintain quality accountability and quality ways to purge themselves of the bad persons whether low or high in the structure.

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All bans on personal weapons should be instantly ended now. The human

individual has the inalienable right to own, purchase, carry, store,

distribute, and use personal weapons and tools without government or mandatory

restrictions, in any way, shape, or form, as long as that individual is not

specifically out to commit murder, rape, or any violating act against another

individual. The problem is that Collectivism attacks Individualism and

Collectivism which is held to by both Right and Left Wing people (Socialists,

Communists, Fascists, and other Tyrants) and wants only their chosen police and

military soldiers to be armed, which is ofcourse hypocritical. The US

Constitution guarantees the inalienable right of the individual to keep and

bear arms. This goes even deeper: It is a universal human right.

The Jihad song is great! If you don't want to promote it yourself, send it to Ray Stevens to add to his collection of great fun stuff.

This shot show looks like it was a success. The targets were...interesting...but definitely better than your traditional targets. Wish I could have been there. Maybe they would have had ammo for sale.

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Alan:

Selling firearms to folks who sell them to the drug cartels in Mexico has also been a significant contributor the AZ economy. That is not something I am proud of. It has not made us safer in Arizona and it certainly has not helped with the goal of encouraging illegal immigrants to go home (would you want to live in that increasingly dangerous and lawless environment?) You don't want to delve into the statistics on how many guns confiscated from drug cartel busts in Mexico can be traced to US or AZ gunsellers and the industry has fought like hell to keep that data from even being collected. So the fact that gun sales are helping some people's pocketbooks is not a real persuasive argument for me. Not to mention, gun sales have increased recently as a result of hysteria whipped up by gun industry folks like you scaring people into thinking they should rush out and by Glock 9s and high capacity magazines before they are declared illegal and before that, by exhortations that Obama would outlaw all kinds of guns if he was elected. In both instances, the gullible suckers rushed out and stocked up and that sure helped the economy (of gunshops at least). If you want to pretend to be honest about impact of gun sales on the economy, you shouldn't ignore the effect of scare tactics in influencing spikes in sales.

Pushing for higher prices for electricity and other forms of energy without any factual proof that there will be any benefit is exactly the same process that the government used to push for corn-based ethanol. Now that it's a well-known and proven fact that corn-based ethanol is a bad idea, costs more, and pollutes more than regular oil-based gasoline, the government is still pushing the ethanol subsidies. What's worse, the ethanol subsidies are directly causing rising food prices. The current administration in Washington is anti-american, at best. It doesn't matter whether a particular policy is good or bad for the economy or our citizens, this administration merely continues to throw good money after bad, even when it's proven to be a colossal mistake. Everything that is done is for immediate political purposes ONLY. Sorry to belabor the obvious, but it's frustrating to me that our government can extort money that I have earned from my paycheck and use it to fund corruption, terrorists (HAMAS), and programs like the ethanol subsidies, which all serve only to harm me and my family.

This reinforces the fact that a company merely needs to claim that their product is "green" or environmentally friendly in some way to earn a federal government approved 'energy star' rating and sticker. The claims aren't checked or verified in any meaningful way, yet the 'energy star' program just chugs along, without regard for truth or reality.

These billboards are one of the best ideas yet to expose the truth. We need to fund more of the billboards in states all over the country. I'm partial to the one that says simply 'Guns Save Lives'. It's true and the public needs to be exposed to the truth. I know of no easier way to expose the public to the media bias against guns. This may not be the most cost-efficient method to accomplish our goals, but I believe that the billboards are a very good idea.

Hey Allan, I thought I am the only one who is puzzled with obs grandmother. LOL...

The mere fact that this bill is floated with ambiguous and impossible to regulate weak wording implicates the source. This is not well thought out and will invariably drive the wrong behaviors inclusing incitement of honest law abiding citizens to break the law to protect themselves from the criminals of whom this will not apply. Another dillusional liberal ideal that has proven not to work in other societies.

Absolutely spot on with this one Alan. More and more the sporadic tragedies are driving feel good legislation that does nothing to address the real problem.

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http://southwestrifleshooting.blogspot.com/

The Ombudsman has brilliantly deconstructed the nonsense on stilts that poses as "scientific" opinion about the origins and existence of life elsewhere in the Universe. Two great things about this article:

(1) It reveals the "nothing" in the evidence of life elsewhere; and

(2) It demonstrates the methods of modern "journalism," the interweaving of editorial with fact, and the piling up of speculations as though they were facts, all to support the interwoven editorial slant.

Truly, science teachers in every school, whether government or non-government, should share this article with their students, to help them learn how to distinguish "facts" and "hypotheses" from mere sound bites and speculations in the world of science.

Bravo, Ombudsman!

Converting the national fleet to centrally controlled power is a great idea, if you're a fascist...

Russell Pearce is a hypocrite. I was present in the gallery of the House of Reps 2 years ago when he refused to allow amendment of a statute to make it illegal to sell a firearm to an illegal alien. The bill made it illegal for an illegal alien to possess or own a firearm which he was fine with. What is the justification for refusing this rational extension of the law? If his objectives were to make Arizona safe from the marauding hordes of brown people as he so often professes, it would make sense to punish those who knowingly sell guns to these evildoers "sneaking into our nation to commit felonies, leach off our successes, eat out our substance". It makes sense unless you are simply a pandering windbag politician who's goal in life is to find new ways of getting publicity and new ways of baiting the low-thinking electorate. Illegal aliens don't vote and don't donate for your re-election. So Pearce goes out of his way to protect those who would sell guns to illegal aliens; let them make a profit doing exactly what you preach is despicable and keep the payola [campaign contributions] coming. That is the heighth of hypocricy and what I have come to expect from one of the most disingenuous and dangerous politician in this state.

The shooting in Tucson should help AZ get a negative Brady score. If not, maybe at least some strong publicity for the gun-loving people of AZ. The incident also backs up what you have been saying in this blog: 1)It shows the importance of "Learning to Shoot Straight"-he hit 20 targets with very little wasted ammunition; 2)Democrats will now be worried about who may shoot them at any time --just like you said: "Get your Tea Party or Legislative District meeting to organize a Range Day....The best part may be hard to measure. How do you think the democrats are going to feel when they find out that all the republicans are learning how to shoot?!" (Page 9, 10/2009) Ha ha! Funny stuff, Alan! I love those "we can kill you anytime we want to" political jokes. 3)Any cretin in AZ can buy "deadly assault revolvers and many many bullets" (see above); 4)Any controls whatsoever on guns or ammunition are just wrong (imagine how hard it would have been to fire over thirty shots and hit 20 targets if he had to reload his gun 5 or 6 times!) Assault weapons are a must for "shooting sports" and there is bound to be collateral damage. 5)"Citizens with guns earn respect" {Train Me AZ) 6) As you have said, violence and threats of violence against our political representatives are "acceptable and appropriate" for a multitude of reasons including "enact[ing] bills that no person of good education can read... behav[ing] in an elitist manner", etc. Like you say: "Few options [except violence] remain when the representative form of government breaks down as it is doing here and now."(Page 9, 5/2010). This particular gun enthusiast (Loughner) is behind you 100% on those sentiments.

just heard you on npr. wow. as a republican, AND as someone who is pro-gun, how embarrassing were you this evening? rude, condescending, appallingly disparaging towards the hostess. you gave gun ownership a bad name tonight. you made me rather ill as you spoke and you should be ashamed of yourself. i know i was.

Hopefully gun rights strengthen

I'll vote for any tool that Joe Arizona can buy. That leaves out the Dillon Aero minigun.

Carrying a gun can be very dangerous but often this is used for safety. In Arizona, people tend to have the right to carry firearms for their safety. But nonetheless, this is coupled with responsibility. If not taken into great safety, this can cause accidents. Well, safety is better than risking your life, I guess?

So kevlar is indeed different from bullet proof vests for others. So what does it imply? For me, these two are just the same. But still thanks to Lester Shuban for making the effort and for the tests for his bullet proof vests. Lester indeed made history and changed the course of modern warfare with his really helpful invention.

Option 3 sounds like a good choice - followed by running them all out of office on a recall petition.

heh

Wow. Just wow. I'm not certain if I am more disturbed by this insanity or the fact that I am not surprised.

Alan;

At the suggestion of Joe Huffman, I am posting this question to you. A repost from a comment at his blog.

What is the possibility of bringing a civil suit under 18USC241-242 in RKBA cases, or speech issues, as with the story at hand?

I mean, it's apparent that the US Attorney's are disinclined to bring criminal prosecution, even in slam-dunk cases.

But the laws still exist, and if a citizen is damaged by unlawful activity, can he not bring suit?

Might be quixotic, but there's a lot of us out here make a thing of tilting at windmills... when we can find ones willing to engage.

Whattaya think?

M

Didn't the feds say they didn't care what laws the states passed, that they will still continue to control all firearms regardless of where they are made?

The "Net Neutrality" bill that Waxman was pushing just got scuttled when Republicans refused to support it. Waxman is saying "cooler heads may prevail" after the elections. He's right-- but not in the way he thinks.

Is the first sentence complete?

The week after we approved Prop C to stand up to the government I telephoned my Senator, Claire McCaskill. I asked after seeing that 70% of her constituents were opposed to the health care bill if she had dropped her support of the bill. She has not dropped her support of the health care monster. Vote her out in 2012.

Disgusting.

I applaud Arizona on every aspect of not only their Constitutional carry laws but their immigration laws as well. While I live in Texas and enjoy much more freedom than other states I would love to see Texas follow Arizona's lead on both counts. If it were not for my current employment in Texas I would move to Arizona in a heart beat. You can bet that we will be helping Arizona's economy with frequent visits. God Bless Arizona and the USA.
Dana

al, They keep your prints until you're 99 years of age. No way to get that undone. Lots of people have buyer's chill after they bow before the king and give up their personal ID -- their prints -- and that's why most people (98%) don't get the permit. Many take the class and then, with second thoughts, never apply. You're not paranoid, you're normal. Alan.

Now what I'd like to know is whether there's any way to get my fingerprints out of the FBI database.

I, as a responsible, law-abiding citizen of the state of Arizona, just didn't feel good about breaking a law every time I left my house, so I went ahead and filled out the forms and took the course and handed over my fingerprint card and my money in exchange for the permission slip.

I'm not sure why, but I've never felt particularly comfortable knowing that my prints are on file in some federal office somewhere. Obviously I don't plan on committing any crimes, and if I did, I'm sure I'd be smart enough to wear gloves...

But seriously; is there an official, legal way to get the FBI to shred my personal info, now that I no longer need this permission slip, or is it there forever and always?

I'm sure I sound like a paranoid lunatic, and I know there are plenty of innocent, law-abiding folks with their prints on file, like soldiers, cops, teachers, etc., but something about this has given me the heebie-jeebies since the moment I dipped my digits in the ink.

So here I sit with baited breath waiting for the images to pop up on the news of the blood running in the streets of AZ like the Brady folks would have us believe.

I almost forgot...

That one and only Brady donor you mentioned is the Brady Campaign Board Chair (http://blog.joehuffman.org/2010/06/12/WhoIsBradysDonor.aspx).

Rob Reed made the Examiner post (http://www.examiner.com/x-30265-Detroit-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m6d11-More-bad-news-for-the-antigun-crowd-as-the-Brady-Campaign-sells-its-member-list-to-raise-cash)

I was the one that found the Brady list for sale (http://blog.joehuffman.org/2010/05/28/BradyCampaignMembershipNumbers.aspx.

Everything I've heard about the indigenous peoples prior to the arrival of Europeans suggests that while they didn't have maps and bureaucrats, they had a fairly well-developed sense of tribal boundaries, and visiting across them usually ended badly for somebody.

One question for the "Mexicans" at the rally: When did Spain cease to be part of Europe?

Regarding the missing Federal Firearm Databases document, If you have the link to an internet item, you can look it up at: http://www.archive.org .

Or try Googling the link and see if Google has a cahed page for it.

Good Luck!